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ciroccoj ([personal profile] ciroccoj) wrote2007-12-17 02:11 pm
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"Cynical" doesn't quite cover it

Gosh, I am ever so glad I've never bought in to those totally hysterical doomsday screechings of OMG if we don't do something about global warming the North Pole might be almost melted in summertime within 50 years and OMGWTFF what will we DO THEN?!! There could be hotter and longer and dryer droughts! And increased forest fires!! And stronger hurricanes and storms!!! Within our kids' lifetimes!!!

Arctic Ice Cap could be gone in summer by 2012, says NASA

Of course, this is NASA saying all of this, so really, what do they know. Buncha hippie faux-scientists and mouthpieces of the granola establishment.



There's this post I've written and rewritten in my head so many times in the last few months/years with every other news report. But I can't write it, it makes me too ill. Basically it's a explanation of why I'm no longer so proud to be Canadian. I'm pretty miserably ashamed of my country and my countrymen and women and my leaders. I can't think of us as the good guys any more.

I think history will judge us with the same baffled disbelief that we currently judge the people who came to the Americas and slaughtered millions in order to enrich their home lands; the people of Easter Island, who blindly destroyed their own ecosystem and their culture in the quest for bigger and grander statues; the slave traders who brought humans to be brutally used and discarded for their cheap labour. The disbelief of How the hell could you be so blind, how could you not see the harm you were doing, how could the pursuit of things make you so blind to the destruction and suffering you were causing to others - or even to yourself and your children?

How could you not see that? And when you did see, how could you not care?

Yeah I'll have to stop there. It's too fucking depressing.

[identity profile] daf9.livejournal.com 2007-12-18 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem with the smoking argument is that everyone's going to die of something and for any given individual who dies of natural causes, whatever kills them will in one way or another, at least tenuously, be linkable back to a lifestyle choice. When my mom stopped smoking she started on the high fat sweets, her cholesterol went up and she eventually died of a heart attack. Direct consequence of quitting smoking? Probably not but it may have been a contributing factor. There is no way of knowing for any individual, whether an alternative lifestyle choice would have been better or worse.

Back to global warming. I'm pretty much convinced that global warming will cause major climate changes. What I'm less convinced of is that those changes will necessarily be disasterous for either human beings or the planet. For example, global warming may delay that overdue ice age we're expecting. I'm even less convinced that we CAN stop global warming, at least while maintaining current rates of human population expansion. So I'm doing my bit by having chosen not to have children.

[identity profile] ciroccoj.livejournal.com 2007-12-20 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
What I'm less convinced of is that those changes will necessarily be disasterous for either human beings or the planet.
I... honestly never know what to say when people say things like this. For some reason it always kind of stuns me, so I say nothing for a very long time.

I actually believe (and tell my kids) that global warming will in all likelihood have little or no real negative consequences for us. And by "us" I mean mostly me and Chris and our boys, but also most white North American professionals, and, to a lesser extent, most North Americans. And most Europeans. If anything, some of its effects may be kind of nice. I'm not exactly a fan of Canadian winters; it might be very nice to not have to shovel as much, or endure as many consecutive weeks of bitter, icy darkness.

I firmly believe that we will, in all likelihood, be able to adapt to most of the unpleasant changes. Some kinds of foods may become scarcer as some arable land becomes unusable. We'll learn to cultivate them elsewhere. Drinking water may become scarcer throughout the planet; we've got a hell of a lot of it up here. There may be droughts and severe storms. I doubt many of those will hit Ottawa.

What I tell my kids, though, is that we are not the only ones who matter. We can find ways around crop failures and water shortages and severe weather events; much of the rest of the world doesn't have that luxury. Re. the changes not "necessarily being disastrous for either human beings or the planet"... there's already people in Bangladesh, Darfur, Europe, many Pacific islands, and New Orleans who might not agree with that assessment. I know most of them are/were poor and dark, and I know many of them were probably fated to die early and painfully of floods and water shortages and heat waves and severe weather events anyway. But most indicators point to the fact that more of them are dying of these things than ever before - and not just because there are more people on the planet - and that they will continue to suffer and die, in greater numbers, as the planet's climate changes in unexpected ways.

I won't even bother to address whether we should only be concerned about other human beings, or whether we should also give a damn about other living beings that are already suffering and dying as the world changes too quickly for them to adapt.

I'm even less convinced that we CAN stop global warming, at least while maintaining current rates of human population expansion.
See above re. cleaner cars, cleaner homes, reorganizing urban patterns, etc etc. That's only the tip of what we could and should be doing, the things that we could do without much sacrifice. There's a crapload of other stuff we could do if we actually cared, but since most of it would involve us giving up some of our creature comforts and cool stuff, I don't bother to bring it up because that's just a no-go area for most North Americans.

So I'm doing my bit by having chosen not to have children.
Which is an admirable choice. I'm choosing to teach mine that we have a responsibility to the planet as a whole, not just to ourselves and our country, or even our species.

We choose to locate most of our activities (extra-curriculars, medical care, groceries) within walking distance, and walk there unless there's a good reason not to (and no, "I don't feel like it" isn't good enough.) We keep our house slightly uncomfortably cool in winter and don't have air conditioning in summer. We drive the most fuel-efficient car we can afford. We try to stay informed, and find other ways of reducing our negative impact on the environment.

And, more importantly than all of that, we vote for politicians who promise to do things like try to meet Kyoto's feeble goals, or invest in public transportation, or pass other laws that will make it so that we're not the only idiots walking while our neighbours drive their SUVs to the corner store for milk because hey, why not.

(Anonymous) 2007-12-20 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Re. the changes not "necessarily being disastrous for either human beings or the planet"... there's already people in Bangladesh, Darfur, Europe, many Pacific islands, and New Orleans who might not agree with that assessment. I know most of them are/were poor and dark, and I know many of them were probably fated to die early and painfully of floods and water shortages and heat waves and severe weather events anyway. But most indicators point to the fact that more of them are dying of these things than ever before - and not just because there are more people on the planet - and that they will continue to suffer and die, in greater numbers, as the planet's climate changes in unexpected ways.

I think the argument can be made that those people in Bangladesh, Darfur and certainly in New Orleans were the victims of political mismanagment and/or government corruption not global warming.

[identity profile] daf9.livejournal.com 2007-12-20 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Oops. The above comment was not meant to be anonymous. Thought I was signed in.

[identity profile] ciroccoj.livejournal.com 2007-12-20 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
I think the argument can be made that those people in Bangladesh, Darfur and certainly in New Orleans were the victims of political mismanagment and/or government corruption not global warming.
It could, and it has. I don't buy it. My opinion is it was unhealthy doses of both. And I can't see governments suddenly becoming un-corrupt any time soon, especially when it comes to helping people deal with these types of crises.

Which is why I can't see most people faring terribly well through the changes that are going to keep happening; Ottawa's, and Canada's, government might be able to pull up its bootstraps and dig us out of most messes, because we've got the cash and the political will. Most African governments? Most southeast Asian or Pacific governments? Most impoverished inner cities? Not enough money to deal, not enough infrastructure to withstand disasters, not enough commitment to social welfare of all (not just the ruling class), not enough impetus to help from the rest of the world.

They're poor and powerless and nobody will care if they get wiped out through mismanagement or war or climate change. And we'll just shrug and say it wasn't our fault for heating up the planet, but their own for not knowing how to manage themselves.

[identity profile] daf9.livejournal.com 2007-12-20 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I think our basic disagreement here ciroccoj comes about because I'm more of a cynic than you are. I give to local and international charities and do a number of things to reduce my carbon footprint (the fuel efficient car, the warm in summer cool in winter house, using compact fluorescent light bulbs, energy efficient appliances, walking or public transportation when feasible, recycling etc.) but I see that stuff more as paying lip service to a social conscience than an effort that will significantly ameliorate the world's woes - particularly not those of the Third World.

Anyway I have no doubt said more than enough on this topic already.

My best wishes to you and your family for a happy holiday.