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[personal profile] ciroccoj
In the aftermath of three states (Arizona, Florida, and California) passing amendments to ban gay marriage during the election:

Not many words of my own to add to the topic of gay marriage; they've pretty much all been said. It's about equality. It's about dignity and respect. It's about tolerance.

It's not about protecting society; somehow, Holland, Belgium, Canada, Norway, South Africa, and Spain (and Massachusetts & Connecticut too!) are still standing despite legalizing gay marriage. It's not about protecting children, unless you believe that by denying some folks the right to get married you'll somehow make sure kids don't grow up gay, or don't have gay parents, or won't be harmed if their (gay) parents split up. And as for it being about protecting religion, I just.. I can't even go there. Adventists Against Prop 8, California's Episcopal Bishops, and the Board of Rabbis of Southern California, among many others, said it all much better than I could.

As for protecting marriage itself?

Via [livejournal.com profile] scrtkpr:

I welcome supporters of gay rights to snap your own photo showing your wedding ring on your middle finger. Spread the word that this fight isn't over. Whether you're gay, straight, bi, white, blue or tan — show your support by letting freedom ring on your blog then go here to log it for everyone to see!

Date: 2008-11-08 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonejaguar.livejournal.com
So should I wish I'm straight just so I can post a pic of myself giving the finger? Hahhahah.

That ad campaign was so underhanded and the really disappointing thing is that it worked. I really don't know why the US (or individual states) can't look to countries like ours to see how we've done it - and done it by protecting religious freedom as well as gay and lesbian rights.

I didn't get married in a church. Two of my sisters didn't, either. Lots of people (straight and gay) don't. Guess what? YOU DON'T NEED TO. Ever. I don't know why people have this notion that marriage = church. I mean, churches just started doing it so those who were part of a religious group didn't have to get married twice. And how many gay people would want to get married in a church anyway?

Man, all this is so annoying. If people would stop being so bigoted about it and actually sit down to TALK about how they could allow gays to marry but still keep their religious freedom, maybe America would truly be the land of the free.

Date: 2008-11-08 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciroccoj.livejournal.com
So should I wish I'm straight just so I can post a pic of myself giving the finger? Hahhahah.
LOL - well, it was started by a (married) gay man, and it does say "Whether you're gay, straight, bi, white, blue or tan," so hey, finger away ;)

That ad campaign was so underhanded and the really disappointing thing is that it worked.
Did you see some of the ads and the rebuttals to the ads? They were referencing cases that didn't stand for what they said they stood for, making analogies to statutes that had nothing to do with Californian law, completely ignoring all sorts of actual facts... and 52% of voters bought it. Unbelievable.

I didn't get married in a church. Two of my sisters didn't, either. Lots of people (straight and gay) don't. Guess what? YOU DON'T NEED TO. Ever.
Chris and I got married in a gazebo. We had a minister do the ceremony, but it was a totally secular ceremony and the only reason he did it is that he was the chaplain at Queen's and we both liked him. The only reference to God was, I believe, made by Chris' brother... who is an atheist and wasn't speaking literally.


Days like today I'm not exactly humanity's biggest groupie >:(

Date: 2008-11-08 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daf9.livejournal.com
If I knew how to post a picture on lj, I'd join you! It continues to astonish me that the citizens of a country founded on the principles of personal freedoms can continue to deny them to their fellow citizens.

Date: 2008-11-10 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciroccoj.livejournal.com
I liked how Jon Stewart pointed out that one of the groups spending the most money on Prop 8 were Mormons, from Utah. You know, Mormons? Felt so discriminated against that they ended up making up an entire state for themselves in order to be able to get married how they wanted? Those guys.

::sigh::

Date: 2008-11-10 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bast2.livejournal.com
It was reported by the media that blacks and latinos were the ones voting against gay marriage in California. Guess they do feel threathened by it.

Date: 2008-11-10 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciroccoj.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know. Rather ironic, that. I really wanted to know how many of them were voting for Obama. And how many of those voting for Obama were doing so not because they liked his politics, or disliked McCain's, but as reaction against the way they'd been discriminated against ... while making sure they upheld discrimination against others.

People are lovely.

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